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C.P. | Portland, OR | August 18, 2011

One thing the Trff character has going for him, he makes Duke look like a (marginally) nice guy. Duke is having to deal with someone more obnoxious than he is!

R. Wik Smith | Oakland, CA | August 18, 2011

Now I know who Trff reminds me of --  the late Art Hoppe's character the Ratt of Phynkia. His sand-swept, nuclear-weapons-equipped satrapy was located in the Greater Lesser Antilles Desert, IIRC.

Dan Bialok | Raleigh, NC | August 18, 2011

I've enjoyed Doonesbury for many years. Yesterday's strip has Trff sad about a lost love, a female shot putter. In John LeCarre's book The Spy Who Came In From The Cold the lead character, Leamas, states that after he is paid for his treason he will "settle down with a flaxen haired shot putter." The similarity struck me.

Paul Hawkins | Wooster, OH | August 18, 2011

Jim Andrews must be laughing his tuckas off from The Great Beyond as Random House takes a few shots from GBT. All of which I'm sure has the editors at Andrews McMeel Publishing relishing a few well desrved in-house gaffaws!

Bernard | Washington, D.C. | August 18, 2011

I love Becca Bickle on sight, and not just because I'm a professional editor. It will, indeed, be a hoot to watch a top-flight editor wrestle a murderous ego-maniac's story onto the printed page. And as for that deft bit of psychological jujitsu in the last panel, I think Becca and Celeste in Elias' office should get together for beers after work. Kudos to GBT for creating another great character. I hope we see more of Becca in the future.

Mrs. Grimble | SCOTLAND | August 18, 2011

Trff is a psychopathic dictator. So of course, he's lewd, crude and totally obnoxious -- that's part of the job description. However, notice that the ordinary Americans he's now meeting react to him with amusement and humour. Humour is not something that a psychopathic dictator really understands, which is why they so frequently lock up or shoot their country's satirists. A real-life Trff would of course react very badly to this approach. However, this is cartoon-land. So we can all join in with the Doonesbury characters and safely laugh at monsters like him, seeing him -- and all dictators -- for the ridiculous, strutting, childish clown that he is.

Roger Webb | Little Rock, AR | August 18, 2011

One of my favorite memories from college (class of '64) was a text I discovered while taking a course on Hebrew Wisdom Literature. It could easily be translated as "the kids today are no damn good." The wise man in the Egyptian court who wrote this about 1500 BC went on to say "Now that we can write, nobody can remember anything." (These quotes are filtered through memory, but close.) I try to keep this text in mind when thinking about our young people. Geezers have been damning kids for a long time -- i.e. for as long as we have a written record.

Still, as a college professor I have to say "Amen!" to last Sunday's strip. Maybe someday mind-meld technology will make critical thinking and literacy irrelevant, but not yet. Personally, I think things started going to hell when we began giving every kid on the peewee baseball team a trophy.

Molly Larson Cook | SF, CA | August 18, 2011

I just can't get into the Trff character. He's lewd, crude and contributes nothing to the strip. Sorry.

David Ferrier | Edmonton, CANADA | August 17, 2011

Today's TEN YEARS AGO Flashback strip reminded me of one of my personal favorites, the strip with the punchline "This is the Sgt. York." In a case of reality imitating art, the U.S. Army recently gave up on development of an Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle that had cost billions but didn't work. You can read about it here.

Editor's Note:

You're in luck. The Sgt. York strip appears as the TEN YEARS AGO Flashback strip tomorrow.

R.D. Carter | Vancouver, CANADA | August 17, 2011

President Bmzklfrpz's application might have a better chance if he had a vowel in his first or last name. Or even his middle name(s), if he has any. Just a thought.

Eileen | FRANCE | August 16, 2011

Dear ol' Garry Trudeau puts it into words for some of us (Molly Ivins called Doonesbury "the best source of information in the U.S.") in an interview with the Irish Times.  Anybody who remembers World War II,  McCarthyism, the whole scary/scared/scarred Cold War, has got to realize that we're doing better now, and the only constructive attitude is to accentuate the positive.  As we're learning in France, if you don't appreciate it, you lose it.

I loved it when Eleanor Roosevelt said "When you lose hope, you lose everything."  Bravo, Eleanor, bravo, Garry. I'm at least 20 years older than he is, grew up in the hot war, hit adolescence when the cold one hit the fan. Trudeau rarely gives interviews -- learned early on that they took time, energy, and attention better devoted to the strip.  But this one will interest those who have loved the characters like family. For instance me.

Yehudit | Wilkes Barre, PA | August 15, 2011

As a teacher in a university, I am continually appalled by juniors and seniors handing in papers not as well written as what my children used to give me to review when they were in 8th grade. Some students can't combine similar facts from two articles into one sentence; they can't draw a cause and effect relationship; worst of all, they can't follow directions (if a section of a paper is worth 20 points, I get complaints for deducting 20 points for failure to include that section). I give detailed written feedback on their written work, and despite that, some students can't even use my comments to revise a failing paper into a satisfactory one. This is not an idictment of all students -- in every class there seem to be an equal number of excellent and inadequate writers. It's the excellent ones that help me keep my sanity.

Kater | Mysore, INDIA | August 15, 2011

Regarding Sunday's strip on college education: I always wonder, when reading these reports, how much the population outside of college is doing to improve their knowledge, vocabulary and reading skills. Judging by the current state of the economy, politics, human rights and a variety of other aspects of life, not only in America but the rest of the world, they aren't doing much.

As a third year at the University of Iowa, I wonder how true the assessment that students don't learn much in the first two years of college is and what type of knowledge, exactly, was being assessed. In my first year, I studied Indian History for the first time, discovering that it was completely different from any of the American or European history I had studied in advanced high school classes. Now I am beginning my study abroad semester in Mysore. However, most of the knowledge I gained in my first two years I learned outside of the classroom. Going to an out-of-state school, I learned how to pay my own bills, navigate a new city without a car, cope with loneliness away from my friends and family, and make new friends outside of my comfort zone. I consider these skills more important than anything I learned in a classroom.

I always feel perturbed when adults (the baby boomers and older -- those who have abandoned their education) complain that those of my generation are stupid; especially when higher education, swiftly followed by lower education, is usually the first thing cut when the budget comes in.

How is it shocking that kids are sticking to their comfort zones and doing the barest minimum to get out of school with a degree with tuition rising every year? By the time I graduate, I will be almost a million dollars in debt, which frustrates me considering I get the same grade (B) on the essay I wrote in a week as the essay I wrote in the hour before class started. Why do I have to go out of my way to get a real education? Why would I study harder for the same grade as the girl who parties all week, when I could be working to pay off my debt? Why am I working for degree at all when most of the jobs available to my generation are being filled by older workers or outsourced to another country or filled by machines? If it's for the love of knowledge, I may as well cut my losses, get a library card and travel the world.

This convoluted post has one message; We're not the monsters, Doctors Frankenstein. Also; when your generation is ready for nursing homes and medicare is cut, it'll be my generation who takes care of you. Or not. Just something to think about, now that you're out of college.

Marcia | Boulder, CO | August 14, 2011

My sympathies to the VOICE OF DISSENT Swarthmore student. My daughter is having the same experience at Kenyon. It's worth noting that at those colleges (the serious) students do in fact make huge gains in writing, reasoning, and critical thinking. I stand in awe of my daughter and, as an engineer who can write complete paragraphs, nevertheless I'm consumed with envy of the liberal education I couldn't afford. It would be a public service to get the word out, too, that at colleges like Kenyon, Swarthmore, RPI, and others struggling to be "new Ivies" you don't get the good grades unless you earn them. Some degrees still really mean something.

Bernard | Washington, D.C. | August 14, 2011

With today's strip, I expected a lot of doom and gloom in Blowback about today's college students, and was not disappointed. But it has always been this way. Every generation predicts that the next generation will destroy us all. I was a child of the '60s and went to college in the '70s, and everyone predicted that my drug-addled, sex-crazed generation would lead this once-great nation down the path to destruction and damnation. It didn't happen with us, and I predict that the social-networking wire-heads of this generation will have just what we need in the future -- less grammar and rote-memory, more getting things done as a group. And a shout-out to "Financially Secure Elders": A ball of wet clay fired from a Wrist Rocket slingshot will drop a rat at about 20 meters.

Chris Campbell | Overland Park, KS | August 14, 2011

I studied my butt off all the way through grad school, to avail myself of every bit of education I could digest. I chose a major with good earning potential, but I never lost sight of the fact that knowledge is priceless in its own right. I feel cheated -- ripped off -- every time I encounter another former "honor student" who cannot even put into practice the basics of the technical training college provided me, let alone think critically. I have been called extreme for suggesting that schools -- even elementary schools -- flunk kids who can't do the work. Yet that is the only way some silly piece of paper with fancy writing on it can ever have meaning and value.

Carl | Honolulu, HI | August 14, 2011

It is at least this bad, if not worse, in colleges and universities. At the University of Hawai'i, it's give A's and B's or suffer the consequences. Not only do students complain, but they bring their parents in to complain. UH administration supports this.

Scott | Binghamton, NY | August 14, 2011

The study mentioned in today's strip tested rudimentary thinking skills we are supposed to learn in middle school, like the ability to read a paragraph and separate fact from opinion. It is surprising to see college students lacking in these abilities, but it is no surprise at all to see those same kids fail to get any better after a couple years of college -- and it certainly isn't the college's fault. It is not a college's job to teach remedial 7th grade language arts, and none of the courses are designed for this purpose. Colleges are only culpable inasmuch as they admit these students in the first place, and fail to flunk them out. However, you cannot really blame them for admitting the students if their SAT scores and high school GPAs are sufficient to meet the admissions criteria.

John Halbert | Los Angeles, CA | August 14, 2011

This is one of the only times I completely disagree with GBT.  I have to express a voice of dissent regarding today's strip about critical reasoning vs. socializing in college. I have a degree in philosophy from Swarthmore; I received about the best possible education in critical reasoning possible. But I also studied far too much, and didn't socialize anywhere nearly enough. As a result, I was completely burned out -- emotionally and intellectually -- by the time I graduated, and was lacking some key social skills, like how to network, and how to relate to members of the opposite sex. Spending 30-40 hours a week sitting alone in a room reading books was seriously unhealthy for me. So if today's kids are spending more time socializing than on their studies, I say more power to them.

As for the idea that employers care about someone's ability to reason: I've had dozens of interviews over the years. Only one person ever brought up my undergrad degree. He hired me, but it turned out to be one of the worst jobs I ever had. A year after you graduate from college, almost no one cares where you went.

Grant H. | Hamilton, CANADA | August 14, 2011

Critical thinking. I've taught university biology for 10 years in 5 U.S. institutions. There are blessed exceptions, but many students cannot write a meaningful sentence. I was accused of using "trick questions" in multiple choice exams because I used different wording (in standard English) rather than simply print a textbook sentence with one word missing. I was told "this isn't English class" when I expected the most basic grammar in short answer questions. Many students seemed unable to generalize from one basic concept to other concepts. They found physiology hard because it required comprehension of a logical sequence of events that was impossible to memorize. Meanwhile, at one California State University, it was accepted by students and faculty that it was impossible to get less than an A or B in humanities courses. Yet essays and term papers in the humanities should be where students learn to create, write and critique a logical argument, and develop critical thinking.

It appears that it has been accepted that an education is the key to getting a job. When they found not everyone could meet the standards, standards were lowered, so that a B.A. is not worth what a high school diploma once was. And of course the corrosive effect of for-profit educational institutions putting student retention and satisfaction above actual accomplishment. Keep up the fine work.